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Post by colton31 (Oilers GM) on May 12, 2013 10:41:31 GMT -5
Kadri isn't a rookie dude lol, and subbans a D and only had 6 less points and he missed like 4 games so he's defence and could of had just as many points as kadri lol, and patches played injured last 10 games and then separated his shoulder in playoffs, patches is better but let me know when kadri has a 30 goal season then compare him to pacioretty , by the way kadri is almost as old as patches and have Accomplished nothing like him, not saying kadris bad cause he is good but he did get a fair chance before and couldn't stay up in the NHL level, everyone says he never got treated well but he did get a Really good opportunity and never showed, he has had 1 decent half of a season lol
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Post by Chicago GM on May 12, 2013 10:53:42 GMT -5
Accomplished nothing like him? I'm not debating whther Kadri > Pac or Pac > KAdri but don't make asinine statements as if Pacioretty is some established NHL star. Pacioretty has had 1 good 30 goal season year and by your definition a "decent half a season" since his PPG was less than Kadri's this year.
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Post by League Commish (Hurricanes GM) on May 12, 2013 11:06:02 GMT -5
Kadri isn't a rookie dude lol, and subbans a D and only had 6 less points and he missed like 4 games so he's defence and could of had just as many points as kadri lol, and patches played injured last 10 games and then separated his shoulder in playoffs, patches is better but let me know when kadri has a 30 goal season then compare him to pacioretty , by the way kadri is almost as old as patches and have Accomplished nothing like him, not saying kadris bad cause he is good but he did get a fair chance before and couldn't stay up in the NHL level, everyone says he never got treated well but he did get a Really good opportunity and never showed, he has had 1 decent half of a season lol The fact that you feel the need to compare a player in his first real NHL year to someone who has been in the league for 3-4 years shows that you're just saying this because he's a leaf and you're biased haha. But okay, let's do comparisons then. Kadri 44 points in 48 games in his first full season (if you want to call it that). Pacioretty in his first real season: 11 points in 34 games. If you don't count that, then the year afterwards he played 52 and had 14. If you don't count this year as Kadri's first season, well, he had 12 points in 29 games in his first real season. That's 1 more than Pacioretty in 5 less games. You said that he hasn't accomplished anything like Pacioretty has? That's fair to say, Pacioretty's been in the league longer. But to be fair on your 30 goal season point, he's only done that once. Granted, that was a year he played 70+ games, but hey, you're a stickler for stats, so there it is. What has Pacioretty accomplished besides that 30 goal year? If you're gonna go to a junior level, Kadri has a WJC Silver Medal, he was on a team that won the J. Ross Robertson OHL championship and lost in the finals of the Memorial Cup. Pacioretty has nothing, haha. Not saying he isn't a good player, I actually like him. But again, you're a stickler for stats and he's so accomplished in your mind, but in reality he actually isn't. Also, I'd argue that the chance he did get in the NHL wasn't that fair to him and his skill set. He was being played in a bottom line role with lesser linemates and expected to score and contribute in the limited time that he played. When he wasn't, he was ostracized and sent down with a lot of Leaf fans wanting him traded, myself included, but it's really no surprise to me that when he's actually been played in a top six role with good linemates, he's succeeded in actually scoring. He always had the skills to do so, but he wasn't in the correct situation. Let's continue, shall we? Kadri outscored Pacioretty and all of the other Habs this year. Does that mean he's better than every Hab on the their team? Hell no. There's a reason the Habs finished higher than the Leafs did in the standings, they were a better team. Just because I'm a Leaf fan doesn't mean I'm going to downplay everything good that a Hab has done. Subban had an incredible season, Pacioretty rebounded really well after a slow start, Markov was great. Ryder was an amazing Hab and a huge steal of a trade, Galchenyuk and Gallagher both had good years. But if you ask anyone objectively who isn't a Hab or Leaf fan, I'm pretty sure they'd agree that he's been a good player this year. I'm not saying Kadri is amazing or anything but you're just hating him because you're biased. I remember earlier this season you told me he was terrible because he didn't make the NHL until he was 22. That's such a stupid thing to say, given that alot of players don't make the NHL, or make an impact in the NHL, until their 20's. You're not gonna change my mind and I'm certain I'll never change yours, so let's leave it at that. Anyways, on the subject of the banner, just use the cup winner idea. That makes the most sense and it's probably the fairest way to do it, plus it's a neat little reward for going all the way.
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Post by KotW-SJS GM/FWD PA(A-L)/Simmer on May 12, 2013 11:06:28 GMT -5
fuck em both
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Post by colton31 (Oilers GM) on May 12, 2013 11:15:51 GMT -5
Patches was getting 8 mins a game first two seasons which was. Around 3 mins less average a game then kadri,,, just saying , I don't think you remember when patches freaked out and said either give me top 6 mins or let me develop in the ahl where I get top line minutes, i you don't remember that after he said that they gave him a chance and then he and 24 points in 37 games with 14 gols before getting hit by chara which was on pace for a 30+ goal season aswell, then the year after he had 33 goals and won the bill masterson trophy, and this season when he had to get a surgery with his appendix he was listed out 3-4 weeks And then came back after only missing 3 games in that injury which is incredible so once again he wasn't playing close to 100 % maybe 80 % if that... I just don't think kadri has what it takes to carry a team and be that star guy that you can rely on when you need him the most
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Post by League Commish (Hurricanes GM) on May 12, 2013 11:20:04 GMT -5
Patches was getting 8 mins a game first two seasons which was. Around 3 mins less average a game then kadri,,, just saying , I don't think you remember when patches freaked out and said either give me top 6 mins or let me develop in the ahl where I get top line minutes, i you don't remember that after he said that they gave him a chance and then he and 24 points in 37 games with 14 gols before getting hit by chara which was on pace for a 30+ goal season aswell, then the year after he had 33 goals and won the bill masterson trophy, and this season when he had to get a surgery with his appendix he was listed out 3-4 weeks And then came back after only missing 3 games in that injury which is incredible so once again he wasn't playing close to 100 % maybe 80 % if that... I just don't think kadri has what it takes to carry a team and be that star guy that you can rely on when you need him the most Again, I'm not trying to belittle Pacioretty or say he isn't good, iI'm just responding to how you seem to think that a point per game pace in your first full season is a joke. If he was on any other team than the Maple Laefs, or if he did it as a Hab, I have no doubt that your tone would change. To tell the truth, I don't necessarily think that Kadri is that player either. At least not yet, but to belittle a fantastic season as a joke isn't right. I know you're smarter then that when it comes to hockey.
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Post by Chicago GM on May 12, 2013 11:20:34 GMT -5
Yeah well well well well...i can't dislike Red Wings players
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Post by League Commish (Hurricanes GM) on May 12, 2013 11:22:21 GMT -5
Yeah well well well well...i can't dislike Red Wings players Not even Bertuzzi?
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Post by colton31 (Oilers GM) on May 12, 2013 11:51:51 GMT -5
yeah i just dont think hes going to keep it up, and in The playoffs he's been bad haha , galchenyuk got less then kadri in the playoffs and as had 3 points in 5 games including 1 power play shift and 1 poweerplay point lol while kadri has 1 point in 5 games and playing with more offensive guys, dont forget this is A guy who suffered the injury and played 2 games ln his draft year and had 27 goals in 33 games in sarnia this year, if he had a whole other season under his belt in 33 gamesi i think he could of had 10 more goals easily and 20 more points easily in sarnia this year if he played the year before,i guess kadri is better then galchenyuk to? Not saying you think he is but alot of leaf fans say kadri is better lol, galchenyuk had 27 points in 48 games just averaging over 12 mins a game with VERY little PP time and a +14 as a 19 year old andas a 3rd liner is sensational, do you think kadri is better like alot of leaf fans do? If you do "i know your smarter then that when it comes to hockey" haha
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Post by League Commish (Hurricanes GM) on May 12, 2013 11:57:45 GMT -5
yeah i just dont think hes going to keep it up, and in The playoffs he's been bad haha , galchenyuk got less then kadri in the playoffs and as had 3 points in 5 games including 1 power play shift and 1 poweerplay point lol while kadri has 1 point in 5 games and playing with more offensive guys, dont forget this is A guy who suffered the injury and played 2 games ln his draft year and had 27 goals in 33 games in sarnia this year, if he had a whole other season under his belt in 33 gamesi i think he could of had 10 more goals easily and 20 more points easily in sarnia this year if he played the year before,i guess kadri is better then galchenyuk to? Not saying you think he is but alot of leaf fans say kadri is better lol, galchenyuk had 27 points in 48 games just averaging over 12 mins a game with VERY little PP time and a +14 as a 19 year old andas a 3rd liner is sensational, do you think kadri is better like alot of leaf fans do? If you do "i know your smarter then that when it comes to hockey" haha I don't think they should even be compared. Galchenyuk is 18 (19?) and Kadri is 22. There's a pretty big difference there. Galchenyuk will be a better player when it's all said and done by based off of just this year I'd say they're interchangeable. Kadri's accomplished what he has with an average ice time of around 15 so it's not like he's getting a large amount more than Galchenyuk. But like I said, Galchenyuk's done this at a younger age and he made the team straight out of juniors. Just depends on what team you're a fan of I guess. I'm glad the Leafs have Kadri and yolure glad the Habs have Galchenyuk. But I doubt that Kadri will be as good as Galchenyuk as his peak.
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Post by colton31 (Oilers GM) on May 12, 2013 12:07:02 GMT -5
If he wasn't injured i think he would of been number 1 overall easily, or if not number 2 for sure even if Colombus wanted a d man because he would of been impossible to pass up haha, galchenyuk skates back just as hard or harder back checking than when he has the puck while yakupov is a typical Russian lol and as I told you before and you agreed , yakupov gets a minute of power play time on every power play mostly and has 6 power play goals while galchenyuk had 0, and yak never had 16 goals until the final game where he had 4 and showed off after every goal while it was their last game and another playoff miss which is bad because why would you celebrate if its your final game in another disappointing season by the oilers.. I think galchenyuk is just as good offensive and alot better defensive and is way more of a class act while yakky celebrates his team missing the playoffs lol
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Post by League Commish (Hurricanes GM) on May 12, 2013 12:12:37 GMT -5
If he wasn't injured i think he would of been number 1 overall easily, or if not number 2 for sure even if Colombus wanted a d man because he would of been impossible to pass up haha, galchenyuk skates back just as hard or harder back checking than when he has the puck while yakupov is a typical Russian lol and as I told you before and you agreed , yakupov gets a minute of power play time on every power play mostly and has 6 power play goals while galchenyuk had 0, and yak never had 16 goals until the final game where he had 4 and showed off after every goal while it was their last game and another playoff miss which is bad because why would you celebrate if its your final game in another disappointing season by the oilers.. I think galchenyuk is just as good offensive and alot better defensive and is way more of a class act while yakky celebrates his team missing the playoffs lol The only thing I like about Yakupov is his over the top celebrations lmao.
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Post by Bergevin(CH) on May 12, 2013 16:03:29 GMT -5
What about Gallagher who is a candidate for the Calder Cup, after what he done this year and in the playoffs.
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Post by Bergevin(CH) on May 12, 2013 16:06:08 GMT -5
I am surprised Carey Price is not there on the poll, him being on a better team he would of won the cup. I am not saying I am good or anything like that and I am not far from being a contender either, but Price's defense's was mediocre, and the only good defense that produced where Subban and Schultz
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Post by hades (Kings GM) on May 12, 2013 16:18:08 GMT -5
I just randomly chose a few players off the top of my head, so that would explain why some players aren't on the list haha.
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